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Greetings
« on: March 02, 2023, 06:35:29 AM »
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I'm just making my first required post here. I'm a long time believer. I've been here in the past, about ten years ago or so.
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2023, 11:53:59 PM »
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Hi there. Although I don?t come here often, I?m also a believer. 😃
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2023, 08:28:33 AM »
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Hello. We're still standing, I think one of the last "original" forums left. Most folks have gone to facebook and other more current medium. Much different than when you were here 10 years ago. Lots of open space to post :)
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The oldest known manuscripts agree with each other 99% of the time. The scriptures, accurately translated, Spirit revealed - reliable. Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith. Heb. 12:2
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Quote from: jabcat on March 04, 2023, 08:28:33 AM
Lots of open space to post :)
I agree with that my friend :)
Welcome to the forum fellow truth seeker! Yep, I also used to browse the forum a lot before making an account. Christ's blessings! :dsunny:
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Re: Atheist Delusions
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2023, 07:19:18 AM »
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Quote from: Song on February 04, 2023, 02:55:38 AM
There are people who try to use science to falsely disprove the existence of God.
Yes its fallacious. Science has to do with the study of things which come under the purview of science. God is not one of those things, to say the least. God as basically defined, is among what are known as, transcendental categories. Not only that, God's basic definition on classical theism means that God is that which is metaphysically primary among transcendental categories. So when a skeptic/atheist tries to weaponize science against God existing, they fail badly. Because transcendental categories(there are many of them) are ALL presupposed NECESSARILY. That means scientific endeavors are indicative of the reality or actuality of those things which are transcendentally necessary preconditions of science, especially the primary transcendental precondition, which is God on a theistic model of reality.
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In the Lord alone is Wisdom and Strength!
Absolutely! "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge" . "All the treasures of wisdom come to us from God by way of Christ"
I learned, based on things like that, that unless a person starts with God in their worldview , there's a sense in which they cannot know anything. They are not going to be able to account for that concepts such as knowledge and wisdom are viable and meaningful on a God free worldview. Because wisdom presupposes that knowledge is a viable concept , and knowledge presupposes truth, and truth presupposes God. And when a skeptic objects to that, then they can tell us where they get truth from, without God. A skeptic is not going to be able to answer that question.
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Re: Atheist Delusions
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Quote from: truthseeker9732 on March 02, 2023, 07:19:18 AM
Yes its fallacious. Science has to do with the study of things which come under the purview of science. God is not one of those things, to say the least. God as basically defined, is among what are known as, transcendental categories. Not only that, God's basic definition on classical theism means that God is that which is metaphysically primary among transcendental categories. So when a skeptic/atheist tries to weaponize science against God existing, they fail badly. Because transcendental categories(there are many of them) are ALL presupposed NECESSARILY. That means scientific endeavors are indicative of the reality or actuality of those things which are transcendentally necessary preconditions of science, especially the primary transcendental precondition, which is God on a theistic model of reality.
Excellent points my friend! Science involves the process of experimentation and observing the results. It's like how scientists isolate variables in a controlled laboratory setting. Therefore, in order to use science to analyze God, scientists would need to somehow isolate God into a controlled setting, which would be impossible because God cannot be controlled, He is Almighty. If anything, God would be the controller, and we on Earth are like the variables being isolated with our planet being the controlled laboratory setting. That's the transcendental aspect you mention. That's why science can't be weaponized against God, God created creation, therefore creation would be under God.
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Absolutely! "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge" . "All the treasures of wisdom come to us from God by way of Christ"
I learned, based on things like that, that unless a person starts with God in their worldview , there's a sense in which they cannot know anything. They are not going to be able to account for that concepts such as knowledge and wisdom are viable and meaningful on a God free worldview. Because wisdom presupposes that knowledge is a viable concept , and knowledge presupposes truth, and truth presupposes God. And when a skeptic objects to that, then they can tell us where they get truth from, without God. A skeptic is not going to be able to answer that question.
I agree! I feel this verse summarizes what you mentioned very well.
1 Cor 13:8 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
Personally, I think Earth is a controlled laboratory setting designed to teach us love. God created a perfect paradise for us in the Garden of Eden, yet humanity disobeyed God, because God is love, we disobeyed love. Thus, we all need to learn love, God. If God wanted to, He could appear before every atheist, perform miracles, and convince them, however even if all people understood all mysteries and all knowledge, without love, it's for nothing. So it's all part of God's plan for atheists to understand each in their own turn.