Here’s an interesting discussion that arouse across different forums, so I compiled them together here.
```Isaiah 30:18 Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you; therefore He will rise up to show you compassion. For the Lord is a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for Him! ```
The Lord longs, meaning יְחַכֶּ֤ה (yə?ḥak?keh) Strong's 2442: To adhere to, to await. Why does someone wait? Because they expect something to happen, eventually. The Lord expects to give mercy to all people eventually. Otherwise, why would He wait if it will not happen? Thus, all will believe in Lord Christ, who rose up from the dead, and be blessed with salvation, amen.
1 Corinthians 15:21 for since through man is the death, also through man is a rising again of the dead (YLT)
ἀνθρώπου (anthrōpou) to ἀνθρώπου (anthrōpou), man to man, from Adam, death for all, from the Second Adam, Christ, life for all. Believe in God, Jesus, to be made clean of all sin, death, θάνατος (thanatos) to gain αθάνατος (ath?natos) permanent life.
Something I noticed about this - 1Cor.15:21-25,28 -
With Mt.13:33, key word 3 - The kingdom is like leaven being worked into THREE batches until ALL is leavened ? bingo!! But as a bonus - ?For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 BUT (as we know) each in turn: (1)Christ, the firstfruits (barley harvest), then, (2)when he comes, those who belong to him (the wheat, havest). 24 Then (3)the end will come, ?when? he hands over the kingdom to God the Father (grape harvest) after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.. 28 .. so that God may be all in all.?
Then God says ?behold I make all new!? (Translators added the word things to ?all?, greek ?pas?.)
That?s the two resurrections - Jesus said, ?All those in the tombs/graves will hear God?s voice and will come forth? (from the graves/tombs) ?some into the resurrection of life (into THE millennium). And some into the resurrection of judgment? (Jn.5:28-29) which elsewhere He calls agelasting-correction [?kolasin aionion? or ?correction eonian? Mt.25:46].
And two vivifications - the 1st concurrent with the ?first resurrection? when believers ?put on perfection? and ?put on immortality?. But the second is at the close of ?the judgment? at the (fiery) ReGenesis, Rev.21:1-5, 2Pet.3:12-13.
Hi marie glen!
Wow! This is a very interesting discovery! :banana:
So these 3 batches appears to be
1) Barley Harvest -> 2) Wheat Harvest -> 3) Grape Harvest
This makes sense, since different fruit becomes ripe at different ages (olams/aions). It's like a fruit basket, if everyone was saved at once, we'd be stuck with a lot of barley. Even if a person really likes the taste of barley, I think variety is yummy.
Ultimately, God decides when we are saved. When our ears are open to hearing the truth. So, that might be when we are ripe to harvest. God lets atheists stay in unbelief because not ripe yet, like green apple not red yet I think. :HeartThrob:
1) First Fruits James 1:18 ἀπαρχήν (aparchēn) Strong's 536: -> 2) Those After Parousia (Futurist, Preterist, different interpretations) -> 3) Grape Harvest (maybe those in Sheol/Hades, post mortem salvation, or just anyone saved in general after rev)
Eschatologically speaking, then comes question on whether we are the Wheat or Grapes. I think we can rule out the Barley at least. Thanks for sharing, this has made me think! :friendstu:
Personally, I am a full preterist, so I believe that the Second Coming of Christ already happened in the Destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.
Hopeful 2 says: Too bad Judas killed himself instead of letting Jesus "find him". [Hopeful 2 speculates whether Judas is in the book of life or not, personally I, Harold Samson, believe Judas’ name is on the book of life]
Based on the timing when Judas was saved, would he count as one of the first fruits of Christ? Would he already believe in Christ in Sheol, how would time pass by in there?
Hi Hopeful 2 my friend. If you're interested, another friend of mine, WhiteWings, wrote about the specific way Judas killed himself here:
Falling into a sword was a way of committing suicide, involved ‘hanging, falling headlong and bowels gushing out.
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In the era when warriors carried swords and shields, a soldier who was guilty of cowardice or another serious breach of military procedure was expected to do the “honorable thing” by taking his own life. He needed no assistance: he placed his sword's hilt on the ground and, resting the sharpened tip against his bare midsection, fell forward.
So the way Judas commited suicide was something that many other soldiers did. So, are those soldiers also not in the book of life?
The way I see it, just because someone kills themselves does not mean that they are not in the book of life. What can physical death do against the God of life, who created the physical Earth we live in and our physical bodies too? I'm hopeful that God will give all people permanent life.
Speaking of my friend, WhiteWings, here's an interesting comment they mentioned:
Jesus knew what Judas would do. Still Jesus prophesied Judas would judge the tribes.
So which options does that give us:
a] Judas judges tribes while being in hell. - Extremly unlikely.
b] Judas doesn't judge. - Jesus made a false prophesy.
c] Judas is in heaven.
So I see it as option c), Judas is in the Book of Life. Christ's blessings to you my friend, all people will have their names written in the book of life :D
Judas being a judge of the tribes is interesting, because that means he would have to be saved before the tribe judgment. So, does that mean that people in Sheol are saved in different batches?