OSAS = Once Saved Always Saved is true. (Scroll down for why Hard Determinsm is true) When you are saved by belief in Jesus Christ with faith alone, then you are permanently saved and cannot lose your salvation. Jesus Christ was killed, buried and risen to pay for all our sins. You are born again, a new creation, permanently clean of all sins, permanently counted as righteous. The Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost, who is God, is sealed on you and dwells in you permanently. You are Christfs sheep, kept safe in His hands. Known as Eternal Security too. This is Assurance of Salvation.


Faith Alone in Christ -> Free Gift of Salvation -> Cannot Be Lost

Good Works -> Rewards of Discipleship -> Can Be Lost


You can lose the subjective feeling of joy that can come from salvation aka depressed, regret, guilt, discouraged, because of sin, but never the objective salvation itself!


A person may feel like theyfre not saved, they may not have assurance of salvation, yet still be saved.

In the OT, the Holy Spirit would come and go from people. They were permanently saved by being Counted as Righteous by belief in the LORD. Now after NT, the Holy Spirit aka Holy Ghost permanently dwells inside of every believer when they have faith alone in Christ.


From fellow Christian Universalist Gary Amirault, founder of Tentmaker.org


However, on the subject of eternal security, his position was Calvinistic (once saved always saved).

I'm the kind of person who likes to have a sound and reasonable answer to all questions. For example, I might find myself one day in a Baptist church which may have handed me a brochure on the doctrine of eternal security, that is, that once a person was "saved" or "born again," they could not lose their salvation; the gift of eternal life could not be revoked nor lost even by turning away from God or denying Him. I would take the brochure to perhaps the Assembly of God pastor or some other denomination which taught one could lose their salvation. (This, by the way, is what the vast majority of Christians are incorrectly taught). I would wrestle back and forth with the various pastors until I felt I could see which group was right from a Scriptural point of view.

Having bounced back and forth between Calvinistic churches like Southern Baptist, Presbyterian, Reformed, etc., which teach the eternal security of a believer and Arminian type of churches, which comprise most of the rest of the denominations, I became thoroughly convinced that the Doctrine of Eternal Security was Scripturally correct. I cried out greatly to my heavenly Father about this important doctrine and I believe He divinely gave me the assurance the Doctrine of Eternal Security was correct. (I have since made an audio teaching entitled Saved to the Uttermost which dealt with that subject.) Taking that security away from a believer, I felt was putting them back under some system of Law or works. Salvation, according to the Bible is "By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Ephesians 2:8,9) If the gift was not earned through works of doing good versus evil and if this gift was life eternal, then it could never be lost or else it would not be eternal. One cannot lose something that is eternal or else it becomes temporary. Jesus promised a quality of life which would pass through all the ages. After death was conquered He would bring us into a fellowship with the Father which is described as the Father being "all in all." (1 Cor. 15:28) (I am not going to get into the dozens of Scriptures found in the Bible which give assurance to the believer that their life is completely secure in Him, but if anyone wants a copy of the tape on the subject, I'll gladly send it to them.)


Bible Verses

John 5:24 NRSVue Very truly, I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and does not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.


John 10:28 NRSVue I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them out of my hand.


John 3:16 NRSVue gFor God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.


Ephesians 4:30 NRSVue And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with which you were marked with a seal for the day of redemption.


Romans 11:29 NRSVue for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.


John 6:37 NRSVue Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away,


John 3:36 NRSVue Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not see life but must endure Godfs wrath.hoever believes in the Son has eternal life


Luke 15:24 NRSVue for this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found!f And they began to celebrate.


Revelation 21:7 NRSVue Those who conquer will inherit these things, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.


John 10:27 NRSVue My sheep hear my voice. I know them, and they follow me.


Romans 8:9 NRSVue But you are not in the flesh; you are in the Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.


John 14-1 NRSVue gDo not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me.


Romans 8:38-39 NRSVue For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.


John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything and remind you of all that I have said to you. the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.


Romans 8:26 NRSVue Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but that very Spirit intercedes[a] with groanings too deep for words.


1 Corinthians 6:19 NRSVue Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own?


Isaiah 11:2 NRSVue The spirit of the Lord shall rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding,  the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.


Acts 1:8 NRSVue But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.h


2 Corinthians 3:17 NRSVue Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 


Luke 11:13 NRSVue If you, then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit[a] to those who ask him!h


Ephesians 1:13 NRSVue In him you also, when you had heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and had believed in him, were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit;


Acts 2:4 NRSVue All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them ability.


John 14:16 NRSVue And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you forever.


Ephesians 1:13-14 NRSVue In him you also, when you had heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and had believed in him, were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit; 14 this[a] is the pledge of our inheritance toward redemption as Godfs own people, to the praise of his glory.


2 Timothy 1:7 NRSVue for God did not give us a spirit of cowardice but rather a spirit of power and of love and of self-discipline. 


2 Peter 1:21 NRSVue because no prophecy ever came by human will, but men and women moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.


John 20:22 NRSVue When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, gReceive the Holy Spirit.


Romans 8:16 NRSVue it is that very Spirit bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God


Job 33:4 NRSVue The spirit of God has made me,    and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.


2 Corinthians 5:5 NRSVue The one who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a down payment.


Romans 8:1-2 NRSVue Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.


2 Corinthians 1:22 NRSVue who has put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a down payment.


Defense Against Anti-OSAS Bible Verses

Hebrews 6:4-6 NRSVue For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit  and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come  and then have fallen away, since they are crucifying again the Son of God to their own harm and are holding him up to contempt.

Well this one shows that once a person is permanently saved, they can never be unsaved, and eventually all people will be permanently saved as Christian Universalism is true no person can be fallen away permanently. Who can cruciy the Son of God again? Thus, repentance is a gchange of mindh metainoia, so when a person has changed their mind and believed in Christ, itfs impossible for them to lose that salvation This verse uses the same gift line.


Galatians 5:21 NRSVue envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these. I am warning you, as I warned you before: those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those who have sins will have them until they believe in Christ. The righteous blood of Christ is sufficient to wash away all sins, thus making the person permanently counted as righteous before the LORD. They were not saved, so they did not inherit the kingdom of God, boom, then theyfre saved and now they inherit Godfs kingdom. Romans 4:3


1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NRSVue Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, [ἀσЃÃ˃̓ȃῖу (arsenokoitai) aka like a pederest aka child sexual abuser] men who engage in illicit sex, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, swindlers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.  And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ[c] and in the Spirit of our God.

Again, same example as above. Works do not save us, but faith alone in Christ. gThat is what some of you used to beh so they used to be unsaved, as in, did not have faith alone in Christ. Now that they are washed by the entering of the Holy Spirit, spiritual baptism not physical baptism, then they are permanently justified in Lord Jesus Christfs name. Permanent freedom of the Lord.2 Corinthians 3:17


John 14:20-24 NRSVue On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21 They who have my commandments and keep them are those who love me, and those who love me will be loved by my Father, and I will love them and reveal myself to them.h 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, gLord, how is it that you will reveal yourself to us and not to the world?h 23 Jesus answered him, gThose who love me will keep my word, and my Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words, and the word that you hear is not mine but is from the Father who sent me.

For John 14:20-24 I believe in Faith Alone Free Grace, that being the seed which is planted. However, good works are important, such as following the commandments. These just come as the natural fruit after salvation, rather than before. We are not saved because of our good works, rather, good works will come as a natural result following salvation. So I am against works salvation.


So, for us mere humans, since we cannot see their inward heart like God can, itfs easier for us to see if a person is a Christian by looking at their outwards good works, the fruit of their salvation. Matthew 7:16. One who is saved already will naturally desire to follow the commandments of God and to observe them in order to show their love to God. Not to be saved, but because they are already saved.


Notice the line gWhoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with himh. God dwells inside each believer of Christ permanently, never to abandon them, this guarantees their salvation cannot be lost. Naturally, when we are saved, we will have a desire to love Jesus by striving to keep His word, because the Father loves us and has given us that faith that saves us through grace.


Matthew 24:12-14 NRSVue

And because of the increase of lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this good news[a] of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.


On Matthew 24:12-14, our salvation is not dependent on our own personal ability to remain save, rather it is Godfs grace which He has given to us which permanently saves us. A person can only have faith alone in Christ when God gives them that opportunity to believe, after all. And we know that God does not change His mind. Ifm a Hard Determinist personally, so when God chooses to save a person, Godfs decision is permanent. He perseveres us, my viewpoint is that Free Will does not exist, so we literally donft have the Free Will to lose our salvation (I feel like that could easily become another debate though lol). If we assume that those whofs love have grown cold are those who are not saved, then essentially, if God does not save a person, then they will continue to remain unsaved until He decides itfs time for the to be saved.


From a historical context, the passage makes reference to around AD70, the Destruction of the Temple. Ifm a preterist personally, so I believe at least part of Revelations has already been fulfilled.



Luke 13:4-5 NRSVue

Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower of Siloam fell on them—do you think that they were worse offenders than all the other people living in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you, but unless you repent you will all perish just as they did.h


On Luke 13:4-5 I agree that repentance, a change of mind, is necessary for salvation, a necessity in order for a person to believe in Christ to be permanently saved. So as long as a person refuses to repent aka to be saved, then they will perish as a natural result of still having sin Romans 6:23. However, those who have repented already, who have changed their mind, who have already been saved, then they are no longer under the curse of the law which results in perishing.


John 15:1-17, NRSVue

15 gI am the true vine, and my Father is the vinegrower. 2 He removes every branch in me that bears no fruit. Every branch that bears fruit he prunes to make it bear more fruit. 3 You have already been cleansed by the word that I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me as I abide in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me.


For the parable of the branch and the fruit from John 15:1-7. All people who believed in Christ and are permanently saved will naturally eventually inevitably bear fruit, this is unavoidable. This fruit is of course, good works, coming after salvation, not before. Because only God is good, Mark 10:18, so only once God dwells within us, which happens at the moment of our salvation, only then can any of our works be seen as good before God. 


The branch that bears no fruit are those who were never saved to begin with. This may seem cruel, but Ifm of the opinion that no free will exists that allows a person to save themselves of their own works, since like I mentioned above, none of their works are good before God. Itfs only God, who gives a person the faith they need to be saved, the opportunity for them to believe, that permanently saves them.


For the branches that bear fruit, then those are the people who are already saved. I have a diagram from my site Ifll post here for convenience sake:

Faith Alone in Christ -> Free Gift of Salvation -> Cannot Be Lost

Good Works -> Rewards of Discipleship -> Can Be Lost

Essentially, I believe that we are still judged based on our good works vs our bad works. Discipleship is our service to God after we are saved. So itfs still worth doing good deeds like giving to the poor, obeying Godfs law, loving others, praying, worshipping the Lord, etc. And wefre rewarded for it. And of course, lose rewards if we commit sins like murder, violence, adultery, etc.

Thatfs why the word gpruneh is used, rather than gremovesh. And Ifll even show the Koine Greek for this part:


He cuts off ἴσà (airei) Strong's 142: Take away, remove.

He prunes ȃƃίσà (kathairei) Strong's 2508: To cleanse, purify, prune. From katharos; to cleanse, i.e. to prune; figuratively, to expiate.

This explains this Bible verse:

John 13:10 NRSVue gOne who has bathed does not need to wash, except for the feet, but is entirely clean. And you are clean, though not all of you.h

One who has been bathed who does not need to wash = Those who believed in Christ and are already permanently saved = Entirely clean

The feet getting dirty is a reference to the gRewards of Discipleshiph, where though we are free from the curse of sin under the Law which results in death, we can unfortunately still commit sins as already saved Christians and be punished for it, as the natural Reaping and Sowing law of the universe still remains in effect Galatians 6:7–9.


Romans 8:13-14 NRSVue for if you live according to the flesh, you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.

Here's my view. For me, anyone who is living according to the flesh is anyone who still has sin on them, thus those who were not saved to begin with, the ones who are not elect. When they die, they go to Gehenna the Lake of Fire to suffer temporary punishment in order to convince them to believe in Christ to be saved. Because at that moment of belief, they obtain the Spirit. So they're misdeeds of the body are killed.


Any person who is saved will inevitably bear good fruit in their lives, living righteously. Not to be saved, but rather, as evidence they are already saved. By Godfs grace we are saved Ephesians 2:8-9, and since only God is good, only by Godfs will are we sinners ever considered to be righteous. So, when God predetermines a person to be permanently saved, they cannot resist Godfs will.


Romans 11:21 NRSVue For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen but Godfs kindness toward you, if you continue in his kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.


Hmmc Way, I see it personally, goes back to the theme of pruning, every branch that does not bear good fruit is cut off. Those who are saved by faith alone in Christ will naturally produce good works after salvation, thatfs inevitable. It talks about gthose who fellh, the fallen, so the sinners, those who have remained unsaved. Yet, God still shows kindness to them, as itfs written.


Romans 5:8 NRSVue But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us.


When a personfs saved by Christ, the curse of sin on them are permanently washed away by His precious blood. Thatfs salvation. So, God shows kindness to everyone, saved and unsaved, and cuts off the unsaved. All who are saved will naturally continue in His kindness and thus not be permanently cut off.