Hell? You mean the one from Norse Mythology? There's Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus but.... I don't see any "hell" here in the Hebrew/Greek biblical scriptures my friend Jack
lol but assuming you refer to the Lake of Fire, we see that being in the lake of fire is a state of being "cast out" Yet the Bible clearly tells us that
Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast us off forever.
Thus all shall believe in the Lord Christ and all shall be saved. God bless
[all shall have faith alone in Christ and all shall thus be saved]
of or relating to inhabitants of the Philippines or to people of Philippine origin or descent; Philippine:
My mother is a filiipino who speaks tagalog who immigrated from the Philippines, so I would fall under the definition of “Philippine descent” thus Filipino as I am half-filipino on my mother’s side
That's horrible to hear. Honestly, I'd count animal neglect as a type of abuse, especially since the owner took on the responsibility to take care of the cat and failed to do so
If infernalism is true, then I would not want to worship a "god" that's so cruel as to endlessly tortures people in hell forever.
Remember that God is love. 1 John 4:8. And love never fails. 1 Cor 13:8.
Strong's 4907: From suniemi; a mental putting together, i.e. Intelligence or the intellect.
Awesome quotes my friend. Even in the most evil of sinners, there's still beauty past all that darkness, no matter how small. They're still made in the image of God. There's still that potential for them to grow, no matter how long it may take.
Unfortunately, for a lot of companies, I think they spend more money advertising their charitable donations than the amount of money they actually donated!
Was talking to my sister, and she said some guy was texting her today, bragging about how he's like a millioinaire, his mom has multiple houses and wants to be a billionaire in the future. Seems like for a lot of people, they just keep wanting more and more and aren't ever satisfied with what they already have
Ayyyy glad the UR proof-passages were recognized early on. It's funny. When I was an infernalist then annihlationist, I glanced over them, but now as a Christian Universalist, they seem so obvious that I'm surprised I missed them for so long XD
[personally I believe that Jesus Christ is God, so a person must believe in Jesus Christ as God their Savior to be saved as only God can save us. Like how Abraham believed in God.
Romans 4:3 NIV What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
1 Corinthians 5:9-11, "I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. In no way did I mean the immoral people of this world, or the greedy and swindlers and idolaters, since you would then have to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who calls himself a Christian who is sexually immoral, or greedy, or an idolater, or verbally abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler.."
to associate with
Strong's 4874: From sun and a compound of ana and mignumi; to mix up together,
Here the issue is that many people can claim to be Christian, a believer in Christ. However, we are justified by God by faith alone and we are justified by men by their works. So a person may claim outwardly that they believe in Christ but in their heart they don’t. Inevitably good works will come after salvation, not to be saved, but rather because they are already saved.
who claims to be
Verb - Present Participle Middle or Passive - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3687: From onoma; to name, i.e. Assign an appellation; by extension, to utter, mention, profess.
Timestamp 11:25 talks about separation from the church and the state. Here’s a good article from the Christian Universalist association
Do Humans Have Free Will?
As we mentioned above, if you define free will as totally free in the most ultimate sense, then only God truly has free will. He is the only being in the universe whose will is truly uninfluenced by outside factors and actors.
I agree with this, because no person has absolute free will in the sense that they can prevent themselves from being saved forever. Therefore, this free will does not exist.
like how when ur making a painting it’s kinda bad at first but just cuz it’s part of the process
Good analogy! It's like, we've canvases and the suffering we experience in life like strokes of paint, which create our character. Romans 5:3-4
For us, it may look like a mess, but God's plan is the finished painting. Isaiah 45:9
lol. yeah! the clay pot metaphor is also carried over to the new testament Romans 9:21 where it essentially says "God creates some pots to do cool things and other pots to do evil things" pots meaning people
the fact that we're all made of the same "lump of clay" aka all have sin, for me, shows that all shall also be saved by the Potter aka God.
My worry is that, in my mother’s anger, she may kill my sister. I was going to call Child Protective Services, but my sister said that she already looked up Child Protective Services before and was not sure if they could really help, so I did not call either.
Despite all this trauma, I would still not want my mother to be tortured forever nor to be destroyed forever. Even though she acts in evil ways. Because she was physically abused by her father. And I act in evil ways too. And my sister too. Because we are emotionally abused by our mother. Thus, I love, forgive and bless her, as I tell her many times.
My father, an infernalist, is so quick to wish a random scammer to go to hell because he gets a scam email from them in his inbox. Why punish them forever for a temporary action?
```Colossians 3:25 BLB For the one doing wrong will be repaid for what he has done wrong; and there is no partiality. ```
I believe this comes from the misunderstanding of the nature of punishment. You see, punishment is always future-oriented! Correctional, meaning, to lead to good. The fact that it must literally lead to a good state means that it cannot last forever. Because that good state must eventually be reached! For if God were to punish forever, then He would fail forever to correct! He would fail to convince people to have faith alone in Christ to be made clean of all their sins. Thus, all shall be saved.
One of my sister's friends is a Muslim Universalist and we talked on Discord. They have an interesting viewpoint. Found this Muslim Universalist site recently: https://www.angelfire.com/bug/answering/hell.htm
[I am against Islam as it denies that Jesus Christ is God. https://www.gotquestions.org/Islam.html [I rebuke gotquestions for their infernalism, etc]
polygonal artstyle reminds me of the MBTI site XD https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types
[Specifically, maybe the time is not avoidable? Maybe we have to experience this flow of time, this suffering, in order to build our character, so we believe in Christ to be saved and are saved by our faith in Christ]
Hmm... Personally, what I find interesting is, for us, we've been suffering for thousands of years, but to God it's only been a matter of days. Psalm 90:4,2 Peter 3:8.
I hope God's like a 100% UR completionist speedrunner and is at wr pace in terms of finishing the paintaing that is His creation
Good post from Oratio. Repent meaning metanoia meaning change of mind.
2 Peter 2:1 KJB But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
We see the word “damn” here, which people may perceive as profanity, however it’s in this translation version of the Bible. So it really depends on the context. Specifically, a word can be used to compliment someone or to insult one and we must avoid saying hateful harassment towards people.
So “taking the Lord’s name in vain” we can see as when a person slanders the nature of God. Like how Putin tries to justify his evil war against Ukraine, the sins of murder, of violence, by trying to use the Lord’s name. Putin here is taking the Lord’s name in vain.
Putin went on to justify his "special military operation" in Ukraine.
"There is no other love rather than if someone gives soul for their friends," Putin said, paraphrasing John 15:13 from the Bible
GOD = GOOD Psalm 145:9. GOD = LIFE John 14:6. LIFE = GOOD.
Oratio mentioning Preterism let’s go
People who believe the Great Tribulation has already occurred are called “preterists“, which can be divided into “full preterists” (if they also believe the so-called “Last Day” has already occurred) or “partial preterists” (if they believe the Tribulation already occurred but the Last Day has not).
I consider myself a full preterist, specifically in the sense that all eschatological events necessary to secure a believer’s salvation have already been fulfilled.
Hilarious how in
Timestamp 16:43 it mentions Psalm 16:10 says “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.”
Even though since this is the Old Testament, the correct term is not “Hell” as that word never appears in the Bible, but rather “Sheol”, meaning, the realm of the dead
Preposition-l | Noun - common singular
Strong's 7585: Underworld (place to which people descend at death)
Regardless, it’s a good Christian Universalist passage, as it shows that God does not abandon souls, but will continue to persuade and convince them through suffering to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved until eventually they do, and eventually they will. Amen.
[since someone mentioned the worm lol]
Mark 9:48 where their worm is not dying, and the fire is not being quenched;
in terms of free will vs determinism, I take the stance of predestination like mention in this got questions article (though i rebuke them for infernalism, etc)
Predestination, the doctrine of the Bible, says that God has a purpose and He is working all things out according to His own will and purpose (Ephesians 1:11; Daniel 4:35; Isaiah 14:24; 46:10). Predestination teaches that God neither does nor permits anything except what serves His purpose (Psalm 33:11). This means that GOD IS the SOVEREIGN of the world, the One who does all things as He wills.
Amazing quote my friend. I approve of it. Specifically, We are not saved by our works, but rather faith alone in Christ. But inevitably, after salvation, our faith will produce good works.
Faith is the seed planted to be saved before salvation. Then salvation. Then our faith inevitably bears good fruit, which are the works, after salvation. Those works don't save us, they simply come as a happy result of just being a believer in Christ. We do good works simply because they are good!
In a person’s heart they have faith alone in Christ to be saved, so God sees that. Humans can only see our works, so we are justified by mere human sinners by our works. Yet we are justified by God by faith alone in Christ.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Exactly this! God bless. The reason we bear fruit is because it is good, because the Holy Spirit dwells in us. Salvation is about gaining the Holy Ghost. How? By faith alone in Christ.