I am Pro Choice when it comes to abortion.
To put it plainly, Jewish law allows for abortion. For the first 40 days of gestation, a fetus is considered “mere fluid” (Talmud Yevamot 69b), and the fetus is regarded as part of the mother for the duration of the pregnancy. It is not considered to have the status of personhood until birth; the Mishnah (Ohalot 7:6) teaches that if the mother’s life is in danger from the pregnancy, even in labor, the fetus may be sacrificed to save her life, unless the baby’s head has already emerged.
עִיבְּרָה — לֹא תֹּאכַל בִּתְרוּמָה. נֶחְתַּךְ הָעוּבָּר בְּמֵעֶיהָ — תֹּאכַל. הָיָה כֹּהֵן שֶׁבָּא עַל בַּת יִשְׂרָאֵל — לֹא תֹּאכַל בִּתְרוּמָה, עִיבְּרָה — לֹא תֹּאכַל. יָלְדָה — תֹּאכַל. נִמְצָא כֹּחוֹ שֶׁל בֵּן גָּדוֹל מִשֶּׁל אָב.
If the fetus was cut in her womb, i.e., she miscarried, she may partake of Teruma
אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: אִי הָכִי, אֵימָא סֵיפָא: הוּכַּר עוּבָּרָהּ בְּמֵעֶיהָ — תְּהֵא מְקוּלְקֶלֶת לְמַפְרֵעַ. מַאי מְקוּלְקֶלֶת — עַד אַרְבָּעִים.
During the first forty days of the pregnancy, she is not retroactively ruined, as the fetus is not yet considered a living being.
אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: טוֹבֶלֶת וְאוֹכֶלֶת עַד אַרְבָּעִים, דְּאִי לָא מִיעַבְּרָא — הָא לָא מִיעַבְּרָא, וְאִי מִיעַבְּרָא — עַד אַרְבָּעִים מַיָּא בְּעָלְמָא הִיא.
And if she is pregnant, until forty days from conception the fetus is merely water. It is not yet considered a living being, and therefore it does not disqualify its mother from partaking of teruma.
Jews don’t believe that fetuses have souls and, therefore, terminating a pregnancy is no crime.
Even though we as Christians don’t follow all of Mosaic Law now, still, this was a viewpoint that the Jewish people had based on these religious texts. Many of their religious texts make up the Old Testament of the Bible which we as Christians believe in. And Jesus was a Jew as well. Therefore, I have my viewpoint with what the Jewish people believed on this matter, thus I am pro-choice.
And also, the Bible promotes separation of the church and the state as is with this verse:
Mark 12:17 (YLT) and Jesus answering said to them, `Give back the things of Caesar to Caesar, and the things of God to God;' and they did wonder at him.
There my stance is as an anti-theocracy.
I support the legalization of abortion and having it available as an option for the people; I believe it is something as a medical procedure that people should have access to. Abortion, by itself, is not inherently sinful. So I am against completely banning all forms of abortion, we must not do this. I believe in both the value of human life and the value of human choice. Abortion is merely a medical procedure, and unfortunately like many things in life, it is possible for it to be done in a sinful way, thus that is what I rebuke.
I support birth control, sex ed and improving the welfare states as those would help reduce the number of abortions that are performed in the first place. I support the use of condoms for both married and non-married people alike, for example. So I am against the force birthers, who want to force all people to complete all pregnancies to completion. People must be given the choice to choose whether or not they want to have an abortion.
Regardless of one's stance, reducing the total amount of abortions overall is desirable. Not by completely banning the medical procedure, but rather by reducing the amount of situations in which an abortion can arise in the first place. I support the right for a person to get an abortion, it is not inherently wrong. We see that in the United States, since the 70s, abortions decline more when there is a Democratic pro choice president in power as opposed for a Republican pro life president. Given the choice between only those two, I choose to vote for the Democratic pro choice president.
There are pro life politicians and activists which are manipulative and can be trying to take advantage of the situation for their own personal gain, which you have to watch out for.
In the Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament, Numbers 5:22 there is the Ordeal of Bitter Waters which is where a miscarriage occurs
Numbers 5:22 NRSVue now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!’ And the woman shall say, ‘Amen. Amen.’
I consider myself to be a Progressive Christian. Watch out for the ESV translation as that was specifically written for a Conservative Christian audience in mind.
There is also this scripture passage from the Hebrew Bible Old Testament
Exodus 21:22 NRSVue When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.
Therefore, abortion must be legalized at the very least, that's the minimum here, I support that statement completely. Additionally, we must have easier access to contraception and have a more comprehensive and mandatory sex ed program for the people. I do not think that every pregnancy should result in abortion and I also do not think that every pregnancy should reach it's conclusion. Killing is not inherently sinful, only unlawful killing is, which is murder. And I do not see all abortion as murder. Therefore, we do not have the right to inherently take away all people's rights to have an abortion if they so choose.
5407 phoneúō (from 5408 /phónos, "murder, homicide") – to murder, commit intentional unjustified homicide. Homicide = Killing another person.
In the Bible, the Lord kills, and commands the killing of people. Those are good killings, justified homicides. Yet, there are also bad killings, intentional unjustified homicides, murders.
Medically, abortion is defined as the removal of pregnancy tissue. This definition comes from Harvard Medical School. https://www.health.harvard.edu/medical-tests-and-procedures/abortion-termination-of-pregnancy-a-to-z
Abortion is the removal of pregnancy tissue, products of conception or the fetus and placenta (afterbirth) from the uterus. In general, the terms fetus and placenta are used after eight weeks of pregnancy. Pregnancy tissue and products of conception refer to tissue produced by the union of an egg and sperm before eight weeks.
With birth control we see that it’s also used to treat many other AFAB issues, such as having an irregular period and acne, so I support it’s legalization as well.
There are different types of abortion.
Abortion to Save = Not murder = Abortion where the womb infant has stopped forming naturally and is already no longer alive naturally, thus their tissue is removed from the mother’s womb to help the mother survive.
Abortion to Save = Not murder = When the womb infant has naturally died unplanned in a way where their physical life could not be saved. The tissue inside of the mother could cause damage so here it is beneficial to survival to remove it.
Abortion to Save = Not murder = Or if when its 100% guaranteed both the mother and baby will die and the only way to save the mothers life is to remove the womb infant.
So in some cases the baby may already have died in the mother’s womb naturally and an abortion is where the tissue of the baby who has died is removed from the mother’s womb.
Every unlawful killing is a murder. However, not all abortion is unlawful killing. By “unlawful” I’m referring to the morality of God here, not the laws that are created by human governments. Whether an abortion is “unlawful” or not is something that should be considered individually on a case-by-case basis. So, there’s a lot of nuance to this subject, as such you should educate yourself on it before holding an opinion on it.
The question is when does personhood begin. What we do know is that when a baby is birth and outside of the womb they are a person, so that much is guaranteed.
This article demonstrates that evangelicals were pro choice and pro birth control such as with this quote
Dallas Theological Seminary professors also supported the cause. Bruce Wakte, writing in Christianity Today, drew on Exodus 21:22-24 to argue that "God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed." His colleague Norman Geisler concurred: "The embryo is not fully human -- it is an undeveloped person." end quote
Imagine. What if a baby has naturally died in the mother’s womb. Not deliberately by the mother, not intentionally, rather, the baby just died from a purely natural perspective. That’s the natural death of a human. However, imagine if the mother will die because the pregnancy tissue is not removed from their womb. It is not the sin of murder to perform the medical operation of abortion, in fact, it helps save the mothers life. Therefore, abortion can be good, and in this case specifically, it would be good.
And what God commands is that this accused woman must drink this consecrated, oath-fortified, dusty water. And if the woman is pregnant and she has been unfaithful to her husband, then this drink will cause her to miscarry and to never again be able to bear children.
The priest, in other words, is inducing an abortion, in the tabernacle, as commanded by God.
But why do the rich televangelists and rich politicians focus so much on trying to ban gay marriage and ban all abortion? It is because they wish to distract you from verses that condemn them for their riches which they have stolen from people. Their riches they have hoarded for themselves which could go towards helping people instead. I believe gay marriage and abortion must be legalized, as I am LGBTQ+ Affirming and Pro Choice. And I am also against billionaires and multi-millionaires as defined here:
a person who has money and property worth several million dollars.
We’ll use USD here. But I believe that over the course of a person’s life of work, they could reasonably save around a million dollars. But when it gets to over 7 million dollars held by an individual and above, I see that person as a “rich person”.
So the average middle class American would be able to make about a million dollars in their lifetime. Still, those people should be at least willing to share some of that money with those who are less fortunate. My bank account has about around 5 thousand dollars at the time of typing this paragraph Jan 3rd 2024 and I’ve given to the poor.
James 5:1-4 NRSVue Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. 2 Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure during the last days. 4 Listen! The wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts.
If a human naturally died on the street, is it the sin of murder to remove their corpse in order to reduce the spread of infection of disease? No, that is not the sin of murder. A type of abortion can be seen the same way. No matter what side you’re on you cannot say that all abortion is murder at the very least
It’s a tragedy when a mother becomes pregnant due to rape, especially when it’s a child who’s a minor. I am against the sin of rape, which is defined as the use of force to have someone submit to sexual intercourse, love does not force itself on to other people 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 and the Lord is against violence.
“There is no question about that which is bred in the uterus, both growing, and moving from place to place. It remains, therefore that we must think that the point of commencement of existence is one and the same for body and soul.” Gregory of Nyssa (335-394AD) [This is a well-known Christian Universalists from the Early Christian Church btw]
Psalm 51:5 - "I was born a sinner - yes, from the moment my mother conceived me." (NLT)
Luke 1:44, “For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.”
James 1:14-16 would have given God’s answer – But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Pro Life = Opposed to the belief that a pregnant woman should have the freedom to choose an abortion
Pro-Choice = Supporting the belief that a pregnant woman should have the freedom to choose an abortion
I am against sin, like the sin of murder. Is all abortion murder? No. We must not limit a woman’s rights, like their reproductive rights, in this case to choose. Is it biblical to ban all killing? No, because the Lord kills. Is it biblical to ban all murder. Yes, because the Lord is against murder. Is it biblical to ban all abortion? No.
Pro-choice and pro-life are terms of self-identification used by the two sides of the abortion debate: those who support access to abortion, and those who seek to restrict it, respectively.
pro-choice entered currency after pro-life, and was coined by those who supported legal abortion as a response to the success of the pro-life brand
If I had to choose one though, since I consider myself a Progressive LGBTQIA+ Affirming Christian, I would go with the language term of “Pro-choice” meaning I allow the legalization of abortion. Honestly though, this sort of stuff should be treated on a case-by-case basis so that each individuals situation is examined on it’s own. However, on a legal basis, I am against banning abortion as a medical procedure. It should be an option available to people. It’s interesting because, as they say, when you legalize abortion, you reduce the amount of abortions that occur. I also support the use of birth control.